Comrades,
Before you gather the family around to watch Obama's press conference tonight.
Please read these examples directly taken from HIS bill.
The link to this story is given at the end of the list.
This is real.
This is Obama's America.
My guess this is why Obama wanted this to pass so fast.
When you read below you will agree.
This Government is out of control.
A shout out to the Obama voters out there, thanks a million!!!
Pg 22 of the HC Bill MANDATES the Govt will audit books of ALL EMPLOYERS that self insure!!
Pg 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benes u get
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
PG 50 Section 152 in HC bill - HC will be provided 2 ALL non US citizens, illegal or otherwise
Pg 58HC Bill - Govt will have real-time access 2 individs finances & a National ID Healthcard will b issued!
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs of Ben Levels 4 Plans. #AARP members - U Health care WILL b rationed
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.
Pg 317 L 13-20 OMG!! PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. Govt tells Drs. what/how much they can own.
Pg 317-318 lines 21-25,1-3 PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating hospitals cannot expand
pg 321 2-13 Hospitals have oppt to apply for exception BUT community input required. Can u say ACORN?!!
Pg335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339 - Govt mandates estab. of outcome based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing
Pg 341 Lines 3-9 Govt has authority 2 disqual Medicare Adv Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing peeps in2 Govt plan
Pg 354 Sec 1177 - Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs ppl! WTF. My sis has down syndrome!!
Pg 379 Sec 1191 Govt creates more bureaucracy - Telehealth Advisory Cmtte. Can u say HC by phone?
PG 425 Lines 4-12 Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Think Senior Citizens end of life
Pg 425 Lines 17-19 Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills, durable powers of atty. Mandatory!
PG 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3 Govt provides apprvd list of end of life resources, guiding u in death
PG 427 Lines 15-24 Govt mandates program 4 orders 4 end of life. The Govt has a say in how ur life ends
Pg 429 Lines 1-9 An "adv. care planning consult" will b used frequently as patients health deteriorates
PG 429 Lines 10-12 "adv. care consultation" may incl an ORDER 4 end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOV
Pg 429 Lines 13-25 - The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end of life order.
PG 430 Lines 11-15 The Govt will decide what level of treatment u will have at end of life
Pg 469 - Community Based Home Medical Services=Non profit orgs. Hello, ACORN Medical Svcs here!!?
Page 472 Lines 14-17 PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORG. 1 monthly payment 2 a community-based org. Like ACORN?
PG 489 Sec 1308 The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which means they will insert Govt in2 ur marriage
Pg 494-498 Govt will cover Mental Health Svcs including defining, creating, rationing those svcs
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2009/07/whats-in-healthacre-bill.html
Information Minister
Loyal Opposition
JohnGalt1984
23 comments:
I thought you might want to compare the items in this list to the actual bill:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
The vast majority (if not all) of it is bunk.
Let me ask you this Reasic? What has your Overlord done to make your life better in the last six months out side of the warm fuzzy for beating a Republican?
I mean really.
Has all this spending made it's way to you? Are you living high on the extra $28.00 a week? Has making all business's evil made your life better? Has taking away executive pay and targeting citizens for specific taxes helped you in your day-to-day struggles? My guess it has not. When it comes to Obama it is his intent that counts not results. I intended to save jobs. I intended to fix health care. I intended to pass the card check. My intentions are good but I have no results. Meanwhile in the long run your Taxes will be higher, your children's, children's will be still paying for all this spending. I feel bad for you guys I just lost the election you will lose your hope.
I wonder what the Overlord is going to do to get a bump in the approval ratings?
I know close GITMO....oh wait he already did that.
Why not release more questionable info about Cheney...oh he did that too?
He could just blame Bush... oh no the statute of limitations has expired Can't use that one...again.
I know ROAD TRIP!!!!
Oprah here he comes.
"HOPE HUGS" for everybody.
Give it up you drone, you can't beat me!!!
Information Minister
Loyal Opposition
JohnGalt1984
Thank you so much for your response. Although, I sincerely regretted that it did not address my comment on the veracity of the claims listed in your post. I have no problem having an intellectual discussion with you on policy matters, but I would first like to ensure that the information upon which we build our respective arguments is verifiable. Hence, my concern over your post.
I can't spend all day debunking every single claim, but if you would like to point out which one or two about which you are most concerned, I'd be glad to discuss them with you, in the context of the actual bill.
I thank you again for your time, and I look forward to your response.
My question is the need for this massive bill at all?
Why do we need this to fundamentally change the country?
Look at is this way, Social Security, Freddy & Fanny, Medicare & Medicaid, the post office, the DMV, the VA, Welfare.
All Government run and all over budget, all almost out of money, all poorly run, and all adding to the deficit. And now Government run health care?
It seems to me the Government does not have a good track record of saving money, cutting costs, doing more with less, running things efficiently.
Why will this be any different just because Obama says so?
Why doesn't he prove he can run these systems efficiently and on budget before he takes on Health Care???
In addition, the CBO has clearly stated that this will increase costs.
There is no and there will be no cost saving.
Moreover, how much longer can you continue to tax the rich before they are no longer rich?
Lastly, may I ask when you you feel that the government has taxed you enough at...40%, 50%, 60%?
At what point will you say wow my taxes out our of control?
Again, I thank you for your timely response. You've shown that this is clearly an issue that is of great concern to you.
However, I can't help but notice that you still have not addressed my concern over the veracity of the claims in your post. This is the second time now, that you have decided to forego the opportunity to prove that any of the statements above accurately describe the respective section in the health care bill, and have instead, advanced new claims.
I'm sorry, but I'm not ready to move on to your new claims until we can resolve the issue of whether your list above is valid. This is not just for my own personal benefit, either. Wouldn't you like to know that you are basing your opposition to this bill is based on a sound foundation of accurate information?
As I said in my last comment, I'd be glad to discuss any of the claims in your post in detail, if you would just provide for me the one or two that most concern you.
Thanks again for your time, and I look forward to your response.
What I would suggest is this you follow the link provided on the original post and discuss issue with them.
If you already did this please provide your results, I'm very curious to see their response?
Better yet please provide line by line with how this information is incorrect?
I will post this rebuttal here for all to see, you will then have your say on how all or most of this is bunk.
The ball is in your court.
It's up to you....
If not GO AWAY YOUR WASTING MY TIME!!!
Next????
I see. I went to that page, but there were already many comments, so I didn't want to get lost in the noise. However, I was also provided with a link to your blog from another one, and so I thought I'd see if you would stand by the claims.
It seems that it took you all of two minutes to copy and paste these falsehoods to your blog, and now you want me to spend all day shooting down each and every one of them? That sure seems fair!
What would it hurt for you to pick one or two that you think are most valid or scary, so that I could hopefully explain for you that you have nothing to worry about? Or do you not actually trust the information that you have posted on your very own blog?
As I said, I don't have all day to debunk this entire list. However, I do have a few minutes to knock down a couple, and I'm even letting you choose which ones. That's reasonable, right?
This is truly amazing. It seems that you have potentially a steaming pile of dung posted on your site, and you don't seem to care. You don't want the truth. You're perfectly happy with lies and distortions, if it gets the job done, right? (The job being, of course, scaring everyone to death about this bill.)
C'mon, John. Let's do this. Let's face the music. Surely there are other arguments you can come up with to oppose this bill if this list turns out to be total garbage. So, you've got nothing to lose! Let's test a couple of your choice, and see whether this thing passes the test. If not, you can rest assured that the bill may not be quite as bad as you originally thought. If so, you're proven right, and you can gloat all you want! It's a win-win for you!
Listen you drone, this is my house!
I have given you ample time and space to reply. You did not. I have been more then patient with you in offering you your chance to prove me wrong. You did not. You claim to have all the answers yet you have nothing to back it up. I have also provided you with several different points for discussions and allowed you to reply. You did not. Even given the chance to go to the original web site where I received this info from to rebut this. You backed down. You must be a drone in that you are very much like your Overlord. Intent with no results & Eloquence without experience. You say my claims are wrong yet you offer nothing. Yet I have.
The real evil here is what the Overlord is doing to this country with this travesty that he calls Universal Health Care, Cap & Trade and the systematic nationalization of the private sector.
If this was such a great bill why has it not already pass? Why did Obama pull the public option off the table? Why did he back off and say he wants this passed this year instead of next week? Because this bill IS a pile of crap!! And the American public knows it now!! Because of real Americans like me!! Check the Overlord Poll numbers today??
They’re dropping faster than you can say “long lines to see your doctor”.
Do you hear that.....The “Change Train” is a coming. I cannot wait to vote the joker out in 2012!!
As I said so brilliantly on this very blog; can the next President in 2012 blame Obama for the massive, massive Debt he will inherit??
Before you spill your Kool-Aid (Berry Flavor) in your reply.
Know this, I own you. Since your first reply here I have owned you.
Now since you cannot offer anything useful and you never offered anything to substantial in your replies I must assume you agree with me, so WELCOME TO CONSERVEATISIM, & WELCOME TO THE GOP!!! Say it with me... I Reasic do swear NEVER to Vote for Obama Again!!
With every renouncement of Obama you receive a free “HOPE HUG”
See now don’t you feel better???
I know I do.
Stick a fork in you, your done.
Reasic,
I will stand by our post. If you can debunk it then do so. If you can make a good argument for the rush to change health care then do so. If not move on or find someone who can.
Okay, John. I've given you the chance to pick a couple of these claims that you found particularly convincing, and you've thrice failed to do so. Therefore, I guess I'll just have to debunk as many as I can, as time allows. I'll start with these:
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
If you go to pg 29, lines 4-16, you’ll see that this section is discussing limits on cost sharing. Scroll up to pgs 8 and 9 for a definition: “The term ‘cost-sharing’ includes deductibles, coinsurance, copayments and similar charges but does not include premiums or any network payment differential for covered services or spending for non-covered services”.
So, if cost sharing is the amount that you have to pay for services, then a section on a limitation of cost sharing is setting a limit on the amount you have to fork out, NOT on the amount of coverage you receive. Therefore this is NOT about rationing your health care.
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
This section is about the establishment of a Health Choices Administration, and the duties of its Commissioner. To understand this section, you must understand that this bill will set up a “Health Insurance Exchange”, in which private insurance companies will compete with each other and with the public option. In this exchange, there will be three or four standard plans that must be offered, so that everyone is on the same level, and to help reduce confusion over benefits being offered by competing plans. So, this section sets the Commissioner’s duties, one of which is to help determine what those standard plans offered in the exchange should look like.
This has nothing to do with a reduction in choice. You can still choose the level of coverage that is right for you, and most importantly, if you already have coverage that you like, you keep it and none of this applies to you.
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
Okay, this page falls under Section 1173A of the bill, which discusses the standardization of “electronic administrative transactions”, and is an amendment to a section of the Social Security Act. I see no mention in this section, much less that particular page, of the government have direct access to your bank accounts. Rather, the lines in question seem to be about enabling electronic funds transfers between the government and health care providers. This must be viewed in the context of the entire section, which is about standardizing the attempt to streamline the various processes involved electronically, in an effort to save money. This isn’t an attempt to steal your money.
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Section 164 simply makes no mention of unions or community orgs, much less ACORN. This was made up.
Check it for yourself:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
I'll be back.
More:
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
This is an assumption of intent. The bill sets up an exchange in which any private health insurance companies can compete with each other and with the public option for your business. In order to work properly, there must be certain standard plans available, so that consumers can easily compare plans to determine the best price for them. Now, if you have insurance under your current employer that you are happy with, nothing changes for you. This is clearly either a misunderstanding of, or an attempt to mislead the public about, this bill.
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
As explained above, the creation of a functioning marketplace necessitates the standardization of several plan options. It reduces confusion over the plan choices, and allows for consumers to make better value-based decisions.
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
This point seems to be the result of a breakdown in logic. The creation of these standard plans does not mean that your health care will be rationed. Besides, if you stay with your current coverage, nothing changes for you.
PG 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill - Govt mandates linguistic approp svcs. Example - Translation 4 illegal aliens
Like it or not (and for the record, I don't), there are LEGAL citizens in this country who dno't speak english. The requirement that there not be cultural or linguistic barriers to obtaining coverage does not have anything to do with illegals.
I'm starting to notice a trend, btw. The author seems to be inserting his own talking points, making something of nothing.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
Again, the author adds details ("ACORN", etc.) not located in the bill, as a scare tactic. This is simply a statement that people should be informed of the new system.
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
Here, the author has turned a positive into a negative. The goal is to ensure that everyone has coverage. In the referenced section of the bill, it states that a Medicaid-eligible individual who "has not elected to enroll in an exchange-participating health benefits plan" will be enrolled in Medicaid. This prevents a lack of coverage as a result of someone simply not knowing how to obtain it. If they are not enrolled in Medicaid, they would have no coverage. Who does that benefit? So they can choose to enroll in a plan, but if they don't, they'll be covered by Medicaid. Again, not a lack of choice.
That's all I have time for now.
oh noes!
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
Another misinterpretation. Pg 124 falls under section 223, which discusses the establishment of payment rates for the public option. These rates that are paid to providers will be based on the rates for similar services under Medicare. The lines referenced simply state that these are not subject to review. This has nothing to do with the rates that consumers are charged, and especially nothing to do with a monopoly.
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
This is section 225, which discusses the payment of providers under the public option. The lines in question simply establish to classes of participation for providers in this option. This is no different than providers who accept Medicare payments.
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
These lines in question are only describing which employers have to abide by the rules set forth in this section on employer contributions. One of the requirements is that they offer autoenrollment "in accordance with subsection (c)". Scrolling down to subsection (c), paragraph (2), you will find that employees are clearly given the choice to opt-out of employer coverage. So much for "NO CHOICE". Maybe the author should've given this more than a skim.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
Typo. Should be pg 146. However, this does not mention families. It discusses the minimum employer contributions for part-time employees, which is set to the rate of a full-time employee, but prorated by the average weekly hours worked.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
This doesn't make sense AND lies. Employers would never provide the public option. That is provided by the government. What this section is saying is that if an employee opts out of employer-provided coverage, and the employer has payroll over $400,000, the employer must pay 8% of the AVERAGE wages in the company. This basically ensures that the company is still contributing some amount, even if the employee gets coverage in the exchange.
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
Same as above. This is a contribution equal to a certain percent of the AVERAGE wages, for ONE employee, if they choose to get insurance in the exchange. More lies.
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
This is the first one I've seen that is actually correct. However, the purpose of this section must be clearly understood. For an example, I'll use auto insurance. Now, all drivers are required by law to carry at least a minimum amount of coverage, in order to prevent any unforeseen expenses on the part of other parties. The same sort of logic is applied here. The more people we have insured, the lower our collective rates will be. Studies have shown that insurance premiums are currently approx. $1,000 higher because of the cost of care provided to those that don't have insurance. So, a tax is imposed on those who can afford it, but don't get insurance. The tax is 2.5% of adjusted gross income, but not larger than the average insurance plan. So, it's basically an incentive. If you know that you're going to be charged a tax that is equal to a premium, you'd just be sure you had insurance. Problem solved.
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)
Not quite. This section states that people who are visiting from other countries are not required to have insurance. This has nothing to do with American's paying.
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
Wrong again. This page states that the admin can have access to certain limited information about you, strictly for the purposes of determining if you qualify for gov't subsidies. This limitation is spelled out in the next page.
More to come...
More:
PG 203 Line 14-15 HC - "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax" Yes, it says that
True, but taken out of context. This section is an addendum to the IRS tax code. The subparagraph in question states that the tax won't be treated as a tax "for the purposes of determining the amount of any credit under this chapter".
Pg 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill Govt will reduce physician svcs 4 Medicaid. Seniors, low income, poor affected
This section discusses adjusting the way that the target growth rate is computed. This has nothing to do with reducing physician services.
Pg 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill - Doctors, doesnt matter what specialty u have, you'll all be paid the same
Again, this is about computing the target growth rate, not about physicians' pay. The previous paragraph establishes new service categories for this purpose, and the statement in question simply says that these apply, without regard to specialty.
PG 253 Line 10-18 Govt sets value of Dr's time, prof judg, etc. Literally value of humans.
In this instance, the author has attempted to make it sound like the gov't will set the pay for all doctors, which is not the case. This section is very specifically about the identification of misvalued codes in the system, and what to do when they are found. This will actually increase the efficiency of Medicare and the public option, which should be a good thing for conservatives, right?
PG 265 Sec 1131Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC industries
This section is about adjusting the Medicare market basket to account for productivity updates. In other words, if health care providers incorporate cost-savings measures, such as moving to electronic records keeping, they will be rewarded. This creates an incentive to save the government money. Once again, probably something that conservatives should be happy about. However, you guys get scared by claims of "socialized medicine", so you close your eyes, plug your ears, and scream about the sky falling.
PG 268 Sec 1141 Fed Govt regulates rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs
What?! This is a section that is already covered by Medicare, and it's just being tweaked. In some cases, under Medicare, these are paid for, so yes, there must be regulations as to when and how this is allowed.
PG 272 SEC. 1145. TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!
This is just dumb. The author randomly inserts the word "rationing" everywhere to apply to various aspects of health care. This section is simply about the adjustment of costs for cancer hospitals, regarding ambulatory services.
Page 280 Sec 1151 The Govt will penalize hospitals 4 what Govt deems preventable readmissions.
This is sort of correct. The adjustments are based on each hospital's percentage of potentially preventable Medicare readmissions for 3 conditions with risk adjusted readmission measures endorsed by the National Quality Forum. This helps to increase the effeciency of Medicare, thereby reducing costs. Again, something conservatives ought to stand behind.
Pg 298 Lines 9-11 Drs, treat a patient during initial admiss that results in a readmiss-Govt will penalize u.
Taken out of context (again). The beginning of this subsection (d) states that a study will be conducted within the first year after this bill is passed that will determine "how the readmissions policy described in the previous subsections could be applied to physicians". It then goes on to describe various options, of which this penalty is one. I assume if the study finds that this is the best option, that could happen at some point in the future, but conservatives would want to institute cost-cutting measures, which reward those who are the most efficient and effective, right? That's a market-based strategy.
More later.
First of all I’m glad you wasted your weekend doing this.
I on the other hand had a more productive one.
I successfully received with my fellow freedom fighters over 1500 signatures in opposition of this bill. Using this very post for examples by the way. I called every Blue Dog to show our support. I actively campaigned against any fool who supports this steaming pile of dung. And lastly I forwarded my original post to so many times I lost count.
On a side note Nancy Pelosi is the SUM OF ALL EVIL! Now to your drivel. Which, just so you know, you did not be-bunk ANYTHING!! Please see my comments below in BOLD.
Give it up. Don’t tell me this or that we taken out of context.
Or you are trying to explain what this or that means.
I know what this means it means C.H.A.N.G.E. Compulsory health care and new government encroachment.
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
INFORMATION MINISTER: WRONG! YES IT IS!!
Pg 42 of HC Bill - The Health Choices Commissioner will choose UR HC Benefits 4 you. U have no choice!
WRONG! BASIC PLANS OR STANDARD PLANS MEANS LOWER TO EQUALIZE. YOUR CHOICE WILL BE EITHER OBAMA PLAN A OR OBAMA PLAN B.
Pg 59 HC Bill lines 21-24 Govt will have direct access 2 ur banks accts 4 elect. funds transfer
WRONG! THE LINES IN QUESTIONS SEEM TO ME THAT THE GOVERNMENT WILL HAVE ACCESS TO BANK ACCOUNTS
PG 65 Sec 164 is a payoff subsidized plan 4 retirees and their families in Unions & community orgs (ACORN).
Section 164 simply makes no mention of unions or community orgs, much less ACORN.. WRONG! OPEN TO INTERPATION I’M RIGHT AND YOUR WRONG!
Pg 72 Lines 8-14 Govt is creating an HC Exchange 2 bring priv HC plans under Govt control.
WRONG! ASSUMTION OF INTENT?? RIGHT OUT OF THE OVERLORD PLAY BOOK. STANDARD PLANS MEANS LOWER TO EQUALIZE
PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Govt mandates ALL benefit pkgs 4 priv. HC plans in the Exchange
WRONG! AGAIN LOWER TO EQUALIZE
PG 85 Line 7 HC Bill - Specs for of Benefit Levels for Plans = The Govt will ration ur Healthcare!
WRONG! LOWER TO EQUALIZE.
Pg 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18 The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN & Americorps 2 sign up indiv. for Govt HC plan
WRONG! BY GROUPS SUCH AS ACORN
-PG 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill - Medicaid Eligible Indiv. will b automat.enrolled in Medicaid. No choice
WRONG! COMPULSION IS NOT FREE CHOICE…COMRADE!
pg 124 lines 24-25 HC No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt Monop
WRONG! NO REVIEW MEANS CONSOLDATED PAWER WHICH IS THE ENEMY OF LIBERITY!
pg 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill - Doctors/ #AMA - The Govt will tell YOU what u can make.
WRONG! IF THE GOVERNMENT ESTABLISHES CLASSES OF PARTICITATION THE GOVERNMENT IS TELL DOCTORS WHAT THEY CAN MAKE!
Pg 145 Line 15-17 An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into pub opt plan. NO CHOICE
WRONG! EITHER WAY YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO JOIN.
Pg 126 Lines 22-25 Employers MUST pay 4 HC 4 part time employees AND their families.
WRONG! IT MEANS MORE TAXES.
Pg 149 Lines 16-24 ANY Emplyr w payroll 400k & above who does not prov. pub opt. pays 8% tax on all payroll
WRONG! WHEN YOU SAY A COMPANY IS CONTRIBUTING THAT MEANS MORE TAXES.
pg 150 Lines 9-13 Biz w payroll btw 251k & 400k who doesnt prov. pub. opt pays 2-6% tax on all payroll
WRONG! IT MEANS MORE TAXES
Pg 167 Lines 18-23 ANY individual who doesnt have acceptable HC accrdng 2 Govt will be taxed 2.5% of inc
WRONG! WHAT YOU SAY IS AN INCENTIVE IS A TAX, A TAX ON FREEDOM OF CHOICE. WELCOME TO SOCIALISM!!
Pg 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from indiv. taxes. (Americans will pay)
WRONG! IF THEY DON’T PAY WE WILL. IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO WITH AMERICANS PAYING!
Pg 195 HC Bill -officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have access 2 ALL Americans finan/pers recs
WRONG! THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD NEVER HAD ANY ACCESS INTO PERSONAL INFORMATION. AGAIN WELCOME TO SOCIALISM. WHERE YOUR MONEY DOES NOT BELONG TO YOU IT BELONGS TO THE MASSES.
John,
Pg 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill - YOUR HEALTHCARE IS RATIONED!!!
INFORMATION MINISTER: WRONG! YES IT IS!!
LMAO!!! OMG, man! I was holding my tongue earlier, but I see now that you're a complete idiot!! lol.
This section of the bill was about setting limits on the amount of money that consumers would have to pay out of pocket. PLEASE tell me how in the hell that equals rationing?!
Wait, let me guess... Is it because you say: "YES IT IS!!!"?? Maybe if you yell it, then it becomes true!! I mean, IT BECOMES TRUE!!!
This is hilarious, John! Thanks for displaying your ignorance for everyone to see. I'll stop with the debunking now, since it's obviously being wasted on an imbecile.
"Mission Accomplished"
Bye bye Drone!!
Go back to the Huffington Post where it's safe for you Kool-Aid Drinkers (Berry Flavor).
You have proven you are irrelevant.
Using your argument you must agree that Obama has no idea what he is talking about when it comes to how to pay for this.
Budget neutral must be true if Obama says it will be right???
NEXT....
Information Minister.
Loyal Opposition
JohnGalt1984
Before I go, I'd just like to point out that you STILL had no response when challenged on your logic. Typical.
And your still a Drone!
There I got the last word...again.
Information Minister
Loyal Opposition
JohnGalt1984
P.S Reasic,
Global Warming is a Myth!!!
Also, check out the new Post of 5 Freedoms taken away by Overlord Care.
If you dare..Drone.
"Global warming is a myth"?!
Where did that come from? I'm not even going to go there with you. It's a science-based subject, which requires that you be both intelligent and thoughtful. You've proven to be neither.
Knowing all of this you also know there are NO absolutes in Science.
Therefore you have to admit that Global Warming & Climate Change is just the theory.
And being a theory it must be aloud to be argued out.
Junk Science is calling everyone who does not agree with you a non-believer, flat Lander.
Remember back in the 1970's they all agreed there was going to be another Ice Age and that never happened.
Points to the Information Minister
Zero for you
Information Minister.
Loyal Opposition
JohnGalt1984
Ugh... I can't believe I'm being sucked in again:
Remember back in the 1970's they all agreed there was going to be another Ice Age and that never happened.
This is a myth. There were a couple of scientists that held this view, and they had no research to back it up. The prevailing scientific theory at the time was still one of continued warming. People who make this claim are thinking back to a few sensationalist articles or books at the time, such as the infamous Newsweek in the late 70's.
Check your sources. Don't just drink the kool-aid.
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